Hello. yeah I notice they always blame software, because software related problems are never covered. And almost anything could be software related but I now know this isn't.I just surely hope this board is my problem. I don't like it anyways so I would replace it, surprised I didnt initially.Anyways I thank you for all your help bluelaser and others but mostly bluelaser, this thread has basically been back and forth between the 2 of us and has at least got me somewhere as far as narrowing it down. I might do some more swapping parts between the 2 pc's I am even willing to swap motherboards, I believe they are both compatable with each PC, in fact I know they are. I guess if this motherboard makes the other PC slow then its either the motherboard or the RAM I guess. And of course I can post those results, and of course if there is a way to have it damaged intentionally then I guess I would appreciate that as well. Its not normally something I would do other then the fact the tech actually suggested it, I should have asked him how LOL I got sucked into a $349 extended warranty at this store for a bunch of parts I bought. I have tried numerous times to get things replaced with only one time when a CD burner tray got stuck closed, they replaced that and other then that I have payed to replace other parts that were obviously damaged but not to point where they would replace it. Basically it has to be dead or a function of it not working at all. I learned my lesson about these warrantys, they make it sound so good to get you to buy it, but when it comes to actually replacing or repairing things they see it as software related and therefore won't fix it. But they say they can check for software problems and rule them out at my expense. Basically for them to rule this out for the motherboard he said a minimum of $75 for diagnosis would be the charge. not really fair if you ask me.